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Science and the Church
A global flood, a six-thousand-year-old earth, a literal Adam in Missouri, and no death before the Fall were taught as doctrine. Respondents who took science seriously could not hold both.

What members were taught
The earth is about six thousand years old and there was no death before the Fall. Evolution is a theory of men and contradicts the scriptures. The Flood covered the whole earth. A prophet, not a scientist, is the final authority on how the world came to be.
What the record shows
A global flood, a six-thousand-year-old earth, a literal Adam in Missouri, and no death before the Fall were taught as doctrine. Respondents who took science seriously could not hold both.
Science was rated a major factor by four in ten respondents, and the trend analysis found it rising. It mattered more to men, and it was almost always paired with something else: the Book of Mormon's anachronisms, the Book of Abraham's astronomy, or the Flood that the Jaredite story requires.
What the written comments describe is not a war between faith and reason in the abstract. It is the experience of learning, usually in a university course, that things one had been taught as revealed fact were simply not so, and then discovering that the prophets who taught them had done so with the same certainty they brought to everything else. Joseph Fielding Smith and Bruce R. McConkie wrote that evolution was a heresy and the earth was young. The Church has since retreated to "no official position," but it never said the earlier teaching was wrong, and it never explained how men who spoke for God on the matter could have been mistaken. Respondents drew the obvious conclusion about the rest of what those men taught.
In their words
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“They said that there was no death before the Fall... a letter that Elder McConkie wrote that addressed ten points of how you can keep your faith. And one of the things in there was, he specifically mentions that evolution can't be possible.”
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What people actually name
From the crowd-sourced 2014 comprehensive list, lightly edited.
- Scriptural and prophetic teachings that there was no death before the Fall, roughly six thousand years ago, against a fossil record hundreds of millions of years deep.
- The Flood taught as a literal, worldwide event and the "baptism of the earth."
- The Tower of Babel as the origin of languages, which the Book of Mormon depends on for the Jaredites.
- Apostles who condemned evolution in print for most of the twentieth century, and a Church that never formally corrected them.
- Book of Mormon claims about the Americas that population genetics, archaeology, and linguistics do not support.
What the Church has said
- Gospel Topics: Evolution — the Church now says it has no official position on evolution beyond the divine creation of humankind
Hear it first-hand
Dr. Thomas Murphy on the Book of Mormon, DNA, and his cancelled disciplinary council Mormon Stories 639, 2016The anthropologist whose 2002 DNA paper nearly cost him his membership, on what the genetics show.
More episodes on this, ranked
Mormon Stories interviews where this comes up most, beyond the ones chosen above.
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DNA and the Book of Mormon w/ LDS Discussions – 05 | Ep. 1594Mormon Stories 1594, 2022 · 98k views · hear a moment at 1:11:40
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The Creation – Mormon Doctrine vs. Science w/ Dr. Simon Southerton #01 | Ep. 1542Mormon Stories 1542, 2022 · 16k views · hear a moment at 1:12:52
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Mormon Cosmology – Science vs. Mormonism – w/ Dr. Simon Southerton | Ep. 1606Mormon Stories 1606, 2022 · 14k views · hear a moment at 9:46
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348-349: Simon Southerton, DNA, Lamanites and the Book of MormonMormon Stories 348–349, 2012
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Noah’s Flood w/ Dr. Simon Southerton | Ep. 1588Mormon Stories 1588, 2022 · 16k views · hear a moment at 24:33
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Rodney Meldrum – Founder of the Book of Mormon Heartland Model | Ep. 1553-1554Mormon Stories 1553–1554, 2022 · 46k views · hear a moment at 2:50:28
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